I’m not sure exactly when it was that I lost my faith in Catholicism, but I’m guessing it was sometime after reading the story of Job. I also haven’t necessarily lost my faith, just got angry at God.
For those that don’t know, it’s about a guy named Job(surprised?) who had complete faith in God. One day the devil went up to God and made a bet with him that if God took away all the things Job had (his family, friends, money, animals, etc) then he would lose his faith in Him. God said Job wouldn’t and to prove his point he took away all that Job had. Like God predicted, Job kept his faith so the devil lost the bet. BUT it’s my opinion that the devil really won. It was a rigged bet. If Job lost his faith in God then the devil wins directly, but if Job kept his faith it would be the only thing he had left. And then someone would write a story about it x-years later and people would find out that God is an asshole! He never gave anything back to Job. He left him there, alone, with nothing. That’s what you get for having faith, everything else taken away from you. Frankly, I want no part of that(and yes I am expecting somebody to say something about this, but I don’t think there are any right-wing Catholics who read this because if there was they’d be saying something about every article here).
It took me quite sometime to realize that, though, so I then began a quest to find something new. At the beginning, Buddhism was my first choice. But it just wasn’t for me I guess, that’s the best way I can put it. Then I found something really interesting. Not so much the religion as the founder of it. Lao Tzu.
There are two quotes from him that I absolutely fell in love with:
The first, “One should endeavour to do nothing.” I’m not so ignorant as to think it means to be lazy, but rather just don’t do anything. It’s hard to explain how I feel about this, and that was the best I could do.
The second, "The Taoist sage has no ambitions, therefore he can never fail. He who never fails always succeeds. And he who always succeeds is all- powerful.” This ties in a lot with the first quote. Plus it’s just really cool. And I really like the sound of that all-powerful thing.
I wish I could explain how I feel about these quotes better, it’d be easier to hear the tone of my voice but most of the people who read CoN aren’t stupid so I think you’ll all understand them on your own, most likely better than I.
So now I’m torn between 3 religions. The one I was born into, Buddhism and Taoism. I, unfortunately don’t know everything about these religions, and the Taoist gods are probably just as wrathful as God.
::Ok, I stopped there and thought about things for 2 days and finally came to a conclusion::
After 2 or so days of thinking I’ve come to realize something. That is that all religions suck.
There’s really no perfect religion. Well, not any which are real. There’s probably a cult or two (or 5) out there that seem cool, but I’m not really for castrating myself and I’m not sure the spaceship will ever come.
I think religion is sort of a destiny thing. You’re born into religions for a purpose, and I’m sure I have mine. Wither it be as the new messiah or arsonist who single-handedly brings down the Catholic Church, I’ve yet to learn. Maybe I won’t be either, but man wouldn’t that be cool.
Just because I’m sticking to Catholicism doesn’t mean I can’t respect and admire Buddha and Lao Tzu. Besides, I really think Lao had something with that “one should endeavour to do nothing” thing. Kind of like that Buddhist monk holding up a flower as one of his Zen teachings. If I remember correctly, only one of his students understood. Speaking of which, I still rub my little Buddha statue’s belly for good luck and fear the almighty wrath of Cap’n Crunch... err... Karma.
Smitty-boy wants to know that in the story of Noah and The Flood, did God try to drown the fish too?
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I was also born into the Catholic Church and found that it didn't work for me at all, the only thing that ever made sense was Jesus Christ's teachings of Love and Forgivness. Add to that the quest for knowledge i.e. Learning. I myself found comfort in an ecclectic mix of ancient pagan religions whose tenets in every way match those of Jesus', Love and Learning and Forgiveness Light the Way. Also it is self-empowering, the witchcraft part, miracle working, whatever, that i myself as a son of God, Goddess, the Cosmos, or whatever have the power to effect change in this world and make it a better place. And I do...
I only live by two rules anymore: An it harm none do as thou wilt and Love and Learning Light the Way, anything done without these two motives, I've found to be an empty act and not self gratifying at all, let alone good for anyone else.
So with that I wish luck for you in your search...
Bongon247
Religion was something made for humans, by humans. And anything that was created by a human is bound to have fuckups somewhere.
Humans made pizza, name one thing wrong with pizza.
Anchovies.
Plus, it looks like vomit.
I've always been unsure about what it is exactly that I believe in, for as long as I could remember. Over the past few months, I've been going to church (here and there)and thinking about the whole issue. I'm beginning to think that one's belief is much like one's cultural identity...I was born and raised in China til the age of 10, I've lived in Canada since then. Am I Chinese or Canadian, I say it's a bit of both (after a long debate with myself). I agree with love and forgiveness always emphasized in Christianity, I also agree with the cause and effect talked about in Buddhism and that people are part of nature (Taoism); that the only thing that is constant that everything is forever changing (Taoism, I-Ching)... But I am not so convinced that Jesus was ressurected, or that reincarnation takes place the way Buddhism makes out for it to, nor do I believe in any of the superstitious things that Taoism claims to happen... So, I don't exactly belong to any of these three beliefs...and I've come to terms with that. I'm not the most articulate person, so I hope you know what I'm trying to say.
I think what you were getting at is that everything sounds good in theory but there's no real way to know for sure; and becuase of that, you're skeptical. The founders of rligions were smart enough to solve that by saying, "have faith." Then again, I could be completely wrong...
Smitty:
That's interesting- I went from Catholic to Taoist to Gnostic. Catholic/xian pursuits ended for me when I thought to question the "Divine Source" punishes a soul eternally for such a sliver of the years of its overall existance (The early ones, no less!!) is really rather insane- whats the reason after say 40,000 years? If IT is like that then IT is not somthing I want to worship, regardless. Just didnt seem like the same ballpark of being or sentience that I see in the Universe. Not my god.
Left Taoism because it seemed to me that one could use the "all is one, all is in balance" approach to justify vast amounts of inaction or worse.
Nirvana being inculcation into everything in a way that is absolutely singular (no: self, body, time, space, thought etc- just an unameable aware "allness" state) seemed right, sans the ending eventually (what in nature is destroyed?). Far as I can tell nature (by nature I mean: patterns from micro to astro that occur without the assistance of Humans) is based on circles not arcs. On some levels the individual lifetime is like a particle of air in the breath of a beast that is that species for that second. On other levels it is horrificly tedious and painfully slow.
Reincarnation has always struck me as an unfortunate and wholley repugnant possibility- considering how brutishly "rat in maze seeks cheese" its typically described as. If it is "the one true blahblah" then all I can say is "Damn. Should have conserved more... shouldn't have trashed the world so... shouldve taught/learned more" coz perfection, or "white noise", is gonna take a long time to get to. This kept me from Budhism. With Taoism I was aware that Lao Tzu tried to flee China to keep it from BECOMMING a religion (and failed!), thus so much of what is now called Taoism, was not what Lao was teaching. This allowed me to "ignore the reincarnation veiled threat" and not really feel all that bad about it.
All the major world religions seem to shoot for basic harmony in text and acheive, mostly, war and vast inequity. The profit off dead prophets biz corrupt SO much worse and consistantly than ANY other realm of human endevor. Odd. The only thing between IT (coz obviously Humans dont got IT'S real name yet) and us... is... the... CHURCH INSTITUTION... <-- which is roughly how it hit me and knocked me me into becoming Gnostic - at first just "w/o congregational urge" but feeling lack of belonging, until I drifted to: "w/o want of congregational urge" and feeling inexorable belonging always. God, imo, is physics: meta-, micro-, and astro-... plus a personality (that is visible clearly in ironic moments); also it changes over time and describing it is like tring to stop rain with rocks. BUT just because that is the way god is to me DOES NOT in ANY WAY mean that it is the way it will be TO YOU. God appears in all things, infused, sooo I figure it would be capable o that... 6.5 billion religions and Gods? The forces at play in a galaxy are far more complex than that, and look how many of them there are...
BTW: with all that freshwater how did the saltwater fish survive?
<3 revscrj
im Buddhist...its a good religion, u can learn a lot when ur a buddhist...those dirty catholics with them priests, i didnt wanna deal with that haha, so i've been going to the temple for like a month... *cricket chirping* OK it seems that i've been boring everyone! well see ya!
The downfall of the church is going to be when everyone, not just the few who do now, begins to question everything they're being told and rationalize it for themselves. The church only worked so well in the beginning because nobody questioned anything. I hope it all folds out in my lifetime... it'd be an interesting thing to watch, granted I die before the anarchy and choas then ensues.
That put me in a good mood.
much love, Smitty-boy